A Perspective on Radical Art

That dogma was established by Dada around 1917. 'radical art,' is antiquated Modern Art. Its artwork which needs Artspeak and a hyped signature.

That's the sort of crap most art schools keep you busy with because the teachers don't know their craft.

Worthwhile new art is usually something people like without the necessity of a barrage of Artspeak.

It isn't innovation. Its a stale joke passed of as intellectual kitsch. It isn't new, competent or interesting. It is totally dependent on fashionable babble.

-which goes to show how stupid they are.

It is! All you have to do is look for something other than the type of work presently allowed into the modern sections of museums. 'Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative.' -John Stuart Mill

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Certainly, the fetishization of 'originality' is a marketing technique strongly related to the notions of progress and aggrandizement which dominate liberal societies. However, it's not imposed by force; apparently a good deal of that portion of the public who are interested in art, fine or commercial, want it, especially those who are willing to pay substantially for it. That being the case, the artist who is unable or unwilling to provide it has to go for the smaller, but very significant market/audience of those who find innovation repugnant, or don't care much about it one way or the other. I doubt if this situation is going to change radically any time soon (although I suppose a great upsurge of political reaction, as in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, might turn back the habit temporarily in a particular country).

halleluiah! welcome to the group.

do you think cezanne was himself insincere?

The supposed 'originality' of critically favored Modern Art is nothing of the sort. It was all done in the Dada period. The marketing claims progress but any study of art history will refute this.

Absolutely correct.

The artist who is unwilling to conform to Modern Academic Art fundamentalism and who also knows his craft appeals to a much larger audience. What he doesn't receive is the critical adulation reserved for those artists as charlatan as the critics and theorists.

'Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative.' -John Stuart Mill

Tired of Modern Art? check

I've created quite a few threads about Cezanne. If you're bored, look them up on Google for a laugh.

I was not speaking in terms of the absolute

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Nothing could be better for contemporary art, than for the general public to buy it. To buy something you don't really like will eventually become clear after it has been hung for some time.smaller, Once this sort of judgement is made, the buyer passes from follower of other people's tastes to his own. Whatever that might be is not to be put down by people who cannot or will not produce what they need. At the same time a small market opens up for some level of art, probably cheap stuff to start with, then as the buyers realise they like something better, and different, more will be paid by those who are not morons, and some artists who are capable will benefit.

The main problem is how to kickstart this off. The main influence over buying patterns and tastes is the electronic media.

How can you tell that? Some find the innovations made available uninteresting, it's true. But in and age where nothing is actually art unless someone say's it's new, and that it challenges our very definition of art, then that doesn't surprise me at all. The over simplistic abstracts are the least challenging to a buyer who simply cannot understand contemporary art, but wants to be 'uptodate' and in 'fashion'.

There is nothing wrong with any art object that can attract a viewing public, and then remain on a wall for years, giving joy and prestige to a buyer, even if it is an empty but beautiful landscape. Many are put off by the propaganda which comes via the media. In spite of criticisms of some of the more outrageous exhibits, the media are the slaves of those who want to put down 'old', and 'past', for they are the worst examples of those I have described as needing to be in fashion, and therefore more likely to be read or listened to by youth.

Except in the modern sections of museums and the lame teaching of academic conformity in most universities.

That's rather hard to avoid.

Conceptual art is less valid as anything creative or artistic than a junkyard. Unfortunately junkyard don't hold lectures, serve coffee or offer comfortable surroundings where fashionable people can look at each other.

or toilet attendants and philosophical babblers etc.

its difficult to be ignored if you have mastered your craft.

Speak for yourself.

Wishful thinking!

The usual excuses for 'don't laugh' art.

'Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative.' -John Stuart Mill

Tired of Modern Art? check