communism + modern art

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The obvious need not be written!

You probably never 'learned' that it's wiser to be thought a fool than to write to this newsgroup and prove it. Same goes for Richard!

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So far all I've seen of your posts here indicate you have neither focus nor tenacity nor will to learn. You're the quintessential LOSER who thinks it all comes presented on a silver platter - or should. And sadly, you are in the vast majority of art students of my acquaintance who think their shit smells like roses, when in fact it stinks worse than someone who bilged on frijoles last night....

I see, that's why it was promoted by CIA -through MoMa -during the cold war.

Art should be judged on the basis of quality. I don't like Picasso because I believe his artwork isn't particularly fine. The fact the he claimed to be a communist doesn't enter into it. I like Dali and don't dismiss his painting because he happened to like Franco.

To say that 'people who like modern art are also probably leftists or leftist sympathizers', is as ridiculous as saying that people who don't like modern art are also probably fascist sympathizers.

Let this serve as a reminder to those artsy fartzies here who periodically bring up Hitler because they don't happen to like my opinions.

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some people in this group tend to think that, within all your might, you can hardly do anything resembling realism even if you crave for it and do more than your best...

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Why does there need to be a war between Abstraction and Realism? The Postmodernism of today embraces both, sometimes in the one work. Those who can't tolerate conceptual contemporary art (which may be either abstract or realist) are usually called 'stuckists'. (whole big group of them)

A note from Austrlalia: most indigenous (Aboriginal) art is quite 'abstract', such as shimmering dots, lines and plan view landscapes (which are abstract); most of the realist indigenous artists are those living in urban areas with a western style education. To denounce abstract art as inferior would mean to miss out on appreciating some of the most beautiful and spiritual works in the Australia and probably the world.

The war as you call it isn't between the forces you mention.

Abstraction is the oldest art form. My criticism is aimed at the Modern Academic Abstraction which inhabits the modern sections of museums and poses as great art. I believe that this version of abstraction is on a decorative and artistic level ranging between floor covering and bath towels.

At the other end of the Modern academic spectrum resides no-skill-realism. The term explains itself.

However, I have no doubt that as much fine art has been produced during the modern era as ever before. It just represented in the modern sections of museums at the moment.

Check their web pages.

...no skill no art!

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Aren't you contradicting yourself here? (It just represented in the

I agree. And the same sort of thing is true and art and literature. The best writers and poets of the Twentieth Century, for instance, came from all over the political map. It doesn't matter at all. Their work is either imaginative or it is not. The same is true of art. But when politics influences art, the result is usually bad. Commie art and Nazi art share one marked quality

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> You do need to do some research, and > to do some thinking as well. > > Don't compare incomparable things, and draw conclusions > from things you have no idea of. > > Try to read some decent books [for a change] - it may help. > And pick up information from reliable sources, > not from biased and sklent & mendatious crap written by ignorant liars. > > One day (maybe) when you are ready - we will continue conversation. > At present it would be a complete waste of time.

Ha! You are livid because I pointed out your feeble grasp of practical math, among other things. You tried to awe readers with the fact (assuming your numbers were factual, that is) that Communist Russia sold or otherwise distributed 250,000 postcard and poster images of Vrubel's art over a fifty year period. As I hinted, all one has to do is pull out a calculator to see that you presented a very modest, if not minute, quantity, considering the fifty year time frame, as well as the population of Russia.

What you fail to grasp is the fact that, yes, the Russian Commies were practical people. OF COURSE art scholars had informed them of the immense value of Vrubel's work. When you look at the Communist bosses of Russia, you are not looking at the Chinese Red Guard or the crudely-vandalistic Taliban. The pragmatism of the Russian rulers during the period in question forced them to recognize the potential worth of Vrubel's art as something to be exploited, something that might be leveraged (in the sense of art exchanges and loans, etc.) in the international community for prestige, etc..

Even so, my original complaint was correct, because it was obvious that Vrubel's art was seen by the Communist rulers as a suspicious aberration, something that did nothing to glorfiy the worker or the ideals of 'workers revolution.' There was nothing of the 'heroic realist,'about Vrubel. His art was, in fact, the quintessence of individualism.

Consequently, if you look at all the major Communist art exhibitions right through the Fifties, you do not see anything that accords Vrubel what should be his rightful place as the pioneer of new art in Russia. In fact, he (I mean of course his art and role in art history) was treated like an embarrassing stepchild who could not be entirely swept under the carpet because of his potential worth to the family.

Now, I hope I have helped you to grasp a few things. Try not to be so arrogant and pedantic in the future, and avoid trying to hide behind generalized, argumentum ad hominem slurs against those who disagree with you. Your doing that speaks poorly of your intellectual capacity and your overall learning. Dismissed.

alt.genius.bill-palmer

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