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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
DaBeatBass
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No one needs to learn how to see in any literal sense. What one needs to learn is what to look for and what to do with that. What counts is learning how to interpret what you see or can imagine into drawing and painting which will attract the viewer.

The term 'learning to see,' in this context is art school double-talk which infers that the student who learns to see teaches himself how to draw rather than the teacher teaching anything much about drawing. You can go to most art schools and see the results.

Those who have trouble seeing should visit an eye doctor.' The term 'learning to see' as an aphorism which contains no information. I recall that Michelangelo said something to the order that the sculpture is in the block, all one has to do is cut it out.

That is usually the amount of information one gets in most art schools.

Any critical forgiveness for a lack of skill and craftsmanship is due to a temporary surrender to fashion.

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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
europaslayer
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Don't you think the skill you described above comes AFTER learning to see? I was under the impression that the original poster was pleading to teachers of BEGINNING art students.

There IS a skill in seeing as an artist. No need to confuse the issue with 'learning what to look for' or 'interpreting.' It all means the same damned thing - which is to SEE.

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I beg to differ. It contains the difference between an accurately drawn sphere vs. a distorted scribbled-in circle.

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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see than music is about learning to hear.

One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.

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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
Mygirlsin
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Wrong! Appreciation is the key. Learning to draw/see, or learning to hear/appreciate are vital to understanding what could otherwise be considered chaos.
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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Interesting, music lovers seperate into different groups. Trained musicians seem to me to have a different requirement for listening. Perhaps they are looking for technical prowess in both the performance and the writing. The rest of us, just let our ears and heart be the judge. There is room for both, and each has something to share. If music were solely written for the smaller first group, then the world of music would be a very small place. There is a certain snobbery about some of the trained musicians, having heard them at concert intervals. They seem intent upon loudly broadcasting their knowledge. Pretty pathetic. Let us hope the world of Fine Art does not find itself in the same spot. N.H
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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
RichardMorten
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Fine tell us what you were taught when you first 'learned to see.'

And don't tell us what you might have been taught to notice or interpret or analyze. Also tell us how you see better than others who haven't learned to 'see.'

I presume the moment you got your music lessons you spent loads of time learning to hear.

Did you also take a course in learning to Piss?

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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
groomee
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I have helped many non artists understand what negative space is. This is not something everyone automatically knows as regards to art.
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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
Evan
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Mani...go talk to a music educator...you don't know what your talking about...the concept of 'learning to hear' is called Ear Training...ever HEAR of that?...what a moron.
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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
GlobalExodus
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You are talking about how you taught students to observe something. That is not teaching anyone to see.

Any critical forgiveness for a lack of skill and craftsmanship is due to a temporary surrender to fashion.

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Posted 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Learning to listen is not learning to hear.

Any critical forgiveness for a lack of skill and craftsmanship is due to a temporary surrender to fashion.

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