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Posted 10 Months, 1 Week ago
pranzo
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He's usually quite perceptive. But he just didn't know what he was getting into when he rented this. It was sitting in the science-fiction section of the video shop, and he was expecting UFOs and aliens. Instead he got a dark existential Russian film with little action and NOTHING to do with science-fiction.

That's not the way I see it. I see it as straightforward social criticism of Soviet government and society. By reconsidering one aspect of the film all of the SF elements take on a completely different meaning; the Zone is not the crash site of a UFO or meteor, as the characters believe, but rather a contaminated wasteland caused by a nuclear disaster.

Starting from this premise many of the films elements start to make a different sense. Stalkers are afflicted with various physical ailments, such as hair falling out and debilitating fatigue, and their children are born with disabilities not because of any 'Stalker's curse,' but because of radiation sickness. The Zone is a mysteriously deadly place, where fires burn eternally and motors don't run, where the danger is unseen yet one wrong step leads to disaster; a fair description of a nuclear accident site! The government prohibits people from entering the Zone, not because they fear someone might wish for the Communists to disappear, but because they don't want the people to know the truth. But the people themselves are so ignorant and superstitious (and without hope) that they actually want to go in!

'Stalker' is a scathing attack on the Communists and the Russian people. It's a very political movie, and Tarkovsky had to bury these criticisms within a 'SF' movie to avoid being sent to Siberia! He took a similar approach in 'Andrei Rubliev,' masking a tale of tyranny, brutality, and official corruption within an 'homage' to a famous Russian figure. Love his movies or hate them, you've got to admit, the guy had guts!

I believe this is one level of meaning, but by no means the only one. It might be an SF film, or it might be the bleakest of realistic films, depending on how you look at it. It's a bit like the glass of water in the opening scene; it might be moving across the table because the daughter has telekinetic powers, but then again, it might just be the vibrations from the passing train. The beauty of the image lies in its ambiguity, as well as within the huge gulf between the two interpretations; it could be the most magical of things, or the most mundane. The look of wonder in the stalker's eyes leaves no doubt which he believes, but...

The point is driven home again in the final scene. We 'see' the girl walking (a miracle!), only to realize moments later that she is simply riding on her father's shoulders. The world is not as magical as we'd like to believe.

I have to say it is a very bleak film, although not nihilistic. Certainly, Tarkovsky's films are about the human spirit, but not in a completely optimistic way. The characters in 'Stalker' are survivors, but their spirit is twisted and deformed under the hardships they face. And they are not just victims, but true tragic characters who bring about their own suffering to a large degree. By the end of the movie, the poet and the scientist believe that they have had an epiphany and come to a greater understanding of life, but they have not. Their entire journey has been a delusion, and so their newfound faith in mankind is set on shaky ground. This is Tarkovsky being ironic; they have a new faith because they have witnessed a 'miracle,' but in fact, the miracle was nothing more than a testament to mankind's folly.

'Andrei Rubliev' is likewise not a completely uplifting examination of the human spirit. Rubliev is a 'hero' in a way that the stalker is not; he does overcome his own trials and suffering and goes on to create his great icons. But do the final 30 seconds of the film, in which we see these glorious paintings in full color, make up for the 3 hours of brutality and suffering that we saw? I believe Tarkovsky expects his audience to ask that question. The ending is 'glorious' to satisfy the Soviet film censors, but it remains an extremely ambivalent look at 'the human spirit.'

I have to agree with you here; perhaps I shouldn't say his films are filled with ugliness. The cinematography is awesome and there are many shots that are extremely beautiful, visually and poetically. But still, they are often shots of destruction and industrial waste.

It's nice to hear from another Tarkovsky fan, even if we don't completely agree in our interpretations.

Todd Strickland
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Posted 10 Months, 1 Week ago
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Todd,

Thank you for very eloquent post. I agree with many things you wrote and yet, you are quite mistaken in this particular case.

Tarkovsky never pursued a goal of criticizing Soviet system. For some reason most people think that Russian (Soviet) artists and writers could create something decent only by rebelling against commies. AS if there is nothing else beyond this pitiful subject.

Maybe it's because those authors and artists who outcried are better known to the West. But their credits were rather low among thinking audience then and (after collapse of comm.regime) are nullified completely.

I don't know why this strange idea is so popular in USA, but, in reality, for the most part Russian intelligentsia have more interesting and important things to explore and tell.

The very point of blaming and reproving social nonsense and regimes is a way too shallow for the most of serious artists. They usually don't go that low, or, at least, do not limit their work to this. It was nothing but a commonplace stuff, simple and tedious, but intrinsic for almost any work of every schmuck of that time.

It's appealing only for mediocre pen-pushers like Solzhenitsin.

Tarkovsky is much much more sophisticated than that.

I saw all his movies and not once. I saw them dubbed properly where dialogues are rendered accurately (not like in those crappy releases with pathetic subtitles that you can rent in Blockbuster and other places). I am sure you know that subtitles in foreign releases are lousy and hardly close to real contents...

Naturally I read all scripts as well.

I studied his works thoroughly when I was working on my PhD thesis. (Not even mention that I knew the man personally...)

Believe me, Todd, all this fuss about depicting socialism and revealing scary truth about Soviet regime was the LAST thing he ever cared.

Even though he had afwul difficulties in getting his movies produced and he suffered from bureaucrats and heavy censorship, he did not really aim at pouring the dirt on socialist stuff.

Tarkovsky was a man of rare spiritual frame, highest human values and aesthetics, lofty morals. Religious in certain way. Fighting or exposing shortcomings of Soviet system was too small and absolutely unintersting thing for him. His aspirations were of different nature, more subtle and ascending to higher plane of human spirit.

In a way (if there is any reference: allegories, parallels, parable-like stuff and other circumbendibus) it was a by-product, which censorship saw and tried to ban, and some benevolent European film critics blew this fact out of reasonable proportions.

Comm.censorship of that time could shelve anything with even remotest suspicion of anti-communist thing in art work, even when the whole work was about something else and author did not even think to criticize anything. Well, life had tendencies to go into extremes.

Quite different thing is books of Strugatski brothers (their book 'Roadside picnic' & script was used for 'Stalker'. They criticized Soviet realities quite a lot, but even in their books it wasn't most important layer of meaning.

In production of 'Stalker' Tarkovsky forced them to rewrite script 4 times and he threw away all the stuff that might refer to Soviet system, because he did not want to play with that crap. He had other things in mind and other ideas to show...

Regimes come and go, but human beings live on, and their values, strivings, search, aspirations, spiritual development and falls. etc etc... - remain.

It's almost as if you'd say that Shakespeare wrote 'King Lear' because he was pissed by monarchy and wanted to show how rotten it became. Nobody would say such nonsense. Then why on earth people used to assign label of democratic 'truth seeker' to every artist from socialist country?

(btw, here is English text of 'Roadside Picnic'
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Posted 10 Months ago
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I saw this movie about 2 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd like to see it again to pick up on things that I missed. Where could I purchase it? What other movies has he done that I should see?

Maybe it should have been put in the Existential aisle?

'Hollywood Vomit' - sounds like a game show

I dig Jodorowski - Holy Mountain is a classic

The film is made that way - to allow for ambiguous and multiple
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Posted 10 Months ago
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Hi again,

Yes, I, too, am a Tarkovsky fan. His 'Solaris' from the late 1960's is like the Soviet equivalent of 2001 A Space Odyssey, and more far out. This guy is some sort of inheritor to another great Russian filmmaker, Eisenstein, who nearly invented montage/editing method of conveying drama used by most of the movies ever since.

Discussions about 'social relevance' and 'criticism' of the system are difficult when speaking of works made in a completely different culture, especially one that can produce Doestoevsky, 'Battleship Potemkin,' and what are arguably some of the best movies ever done, like 'Andrei Rublev,' which is difficult to understand as it speaks of a time when religious convictions carried far more weight than in much modern, Western society.

Just a few thoughts, and pass the popcorn.
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