Picassos drawing inabilities

Maybe ,just maybe, you highly overrate drawing as a critical component of modern art. Did the art world change and you can't stand it? Bummer.

I think I understand your objection to some lousy 18th century religious artists who couldn't uphold your strict standards, but if Picasso held himself to your standard you would have never heard of him. You'd probably like that. Maybe you may have read of some minor talent who did some blue painting. Maybe he was drawing left-handed on purpose. Why is it important to you? Obviously, what Picasso had to offer the world didn't depend on his classical drawing ability.

I know an artist who spends 6 month on a super realistic drawing. His work is unbelievable and beautiful (and some are in the Met), but I bet his brain can't conceive (much less draw) a geometrically incorrect face like Picasso painted. And that's probably as it should be.

You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but it's so off kilter that it may even be Picasso-like opinion/criticism. Wouldn't that be ironic? You might be a 'modern critic' who can't reason straight much like Picasso couldn't draw straight.

On the other hand, when it comes to anti-artspeak I think you are the soul of reason IMO. I have to consider the possibility I may be wrong about that.

G. - wondering if my idol Hans Hoffman could draw as good as DeKooning and

WHat I was trying

Are you referring to your book on Modern Art? You weren't pointing that out in your post. That would be true though if you are referring to the present time. There is a lot of nonsense passing for art. All of it can't be brought and stored in warehouses by museums. Maybe that's a good plan for a new museum. The London Museum of Nonsense Art. That has a nice ring to it. There has to be some old warehouses down by the Thames that would be perfect.

Now if we could just find someone in London who likes the stuff, could be the museum director and who knows a little about advertising.

G. - would pay to get in.

Perhaps I do, but it doesn't make Picasso's drawing any better.

If artzy fartzies would look at the finest modern artwork which is kept out of museums they would recognize the change that has taken place since the demise of Dada in 1923. Art has always changed.

WHat objection was that ? I have nothing against religious art. Religious art is among the finest work of all times. WHat I was trying to point out is the fact that I believe the subject matter is mostly nonsense in no way reduces its value.

Right, it depends on continuous hyping of a third rate cartoonist because of economic investment.

Mani DeLi ...no skill no art

Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page! http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/

Picasso gave us a new way to SEE the WORLD, which is hardly a trivial achievement. And he did it not just once, but several times during a long & amazingly productive career. So he gives us new ways to see the world & deli wants to cut him down because he didn't want to do it the old way. Huh? Does he write his posts with a quill?

That's marvellous.

I'm not familiar with any of Hofmann's drawings but I admire his paintings and he was *incredibly* influential as a teacher. He really helped shape the whole NY school generation.

And as long as Deli keeps regurgitating the same old bile all the time, the discussion/defense will continue

Apparently this guy now sees the world differently. Whatever that means

He did do it the old way, only not well.

Notice that all the answers to my challenge amount to little more than art school platitudes. No one mentioned anything about the painting or drawings I mentioned.

The fact is that these narrow minded boobs know little more about art than slanted Modern Academic Art mythology and aren't familiar with anything out of bounds of the modern sections of museums. They have totaly missed out on 90% of the art of this century. They imagine that anything other than what they admire is a repitition of the past.

I doubt that you are familiar with much of anything.

Try getting beyond a blue streak. Its been done.

Mani DeLi ...no skill no art

Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page! http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/

So has Santa Claus. So what?

Wrong.

I doubt it.

Seen them. Its the usual crap. Not even original. A good horse blanket has better color.

True, they look even worse in the original.

Mani DeLi ...no skill no art

Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page! http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/

Seen it. It's ordinary nothing-special.

If Picasso didn't do it nobody would give a damn. Take a look at the thousands of drawings by AL Hirshfield for line, llikeness, abstraction, composition etc. Picasso couldn't design a comic book page.

This of course is pure baloney. Picasso used Photos and projectors. Of course they don't dare tell you that in art school. Ingres didn't use aids.

Also baloney. His sitters sat for long periods. His painted portraits are mostly off photos.

He could hardly draw a portrait without photographic aid.

Big deal, so do many average cartoonists

Artspeak.

Doesn't take much to impress this boob.

Hope you avoid technique. The greater allegience to ignorance people like you posess the more work for those who know their craft.

Name three great paintings that anyone would mistake for photographs.

Tell us when FALSE ART ended.

Visionary patzers.

Self expression without skill and craft is self delusion.

Mani DeLi ...no skill no art

Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page! http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/