Schools with good art programs in london or new york

I'm an art teacher visiting galleries in london and new york in early to mid january 2003 and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some schools offering interesting or good art programs (mainly primary or secondary, not university) that I could visit. I would like to broaden my skills in art education.

I second Alison's recommendation. Greenwich is probably a good starting place to cover the London area. Goldsmith's (same area of London, in Lewisham I think) also does teaching certificates and has excellent arts courses - so I'd imagine they do an arts teaching certificate.

As kids are going back to school very soon you may be able to find some rankings information online and see what schools rank highly in arts. Try google UK. You may want to ask for information at the Royal Academy (on Picadilly) and the Royal College of Art - they may have lists of schools for graduates interested in art education? Just a thought.

What a shame you can only feel good about yourself by putting down another. Art should be about acceptance and appreciation, not about one style of art being better than another. Contemporary postmodernism favours a pluralistic view, where artists of a range of groups (some marginalised) are accepted. It also takes courage to put your art out there for others to view and potentially criticise. Hitler in the 1930's proclaimed all 'modern' art to be degenerate, hence the exhibition of the degenerates. This is why so many German artists fled the country - they couldn't lower themselves to producing 'acceptable' albeit realistic art depecting blonde families and 19th century style art. So, I am not tired of Modern art, nor traditional or academic at all. How boring the world would be without both.

Thank you Alison and Tina for your tips. I look forward to making contact with some of the above organisations. I can be fairly broad in looking at art institutions as I work in both a school and a gallery (2 jobs actually) in Australia, so I imagine the system in London is different.

Anyone with a recommendation for New York City?

I don't like generic abstract art but I found Alison's take quite beautiful and expressive. It certainly has a lot more vitality to it than Mani's hackneyed inflated bosoms.

Good on you for the gusty reply Debra. Unfortunately it may have come a tad too late for Alison as we may not expect to see her again on rec.arts fine. What are the stuckists going to do for a reaction

I gladly second your comments.

keith