Time wasters - or a waste of time

May I suggest to the main contributors that if they spend less time composing immature and pretentious letters that their 'artwork', if indeed they produce any, might well improve.

At least this newsgroup would improve for sure.

I couldn't agree with you more! I look forward very much to being able to concentrate on discussing matters of artistic interest - and hope that will not be long before I am allowed so to do.

Hear ! Hear !

Pehaps there needs to be a separate and exclusive newsgroup where combatants can (only) whine at one another, thereby leaving 'arts' etc. to the artists

RULE # 1: No 'Non-Whining' allowed <g>...end of Rules.

It could be right now. Just stop posting your irrelevant statements, email them to the person concerned.

see the point of showing it clearly]] This is truly amusing. Anybody who would like a laugh must go and look at http://artlives.homestead.com/FAQs.html - you will find not only a lot to amuse, but also gain a good insight in to the mind of a control freak. Find yourself amazed that Alison doesn't have the self-knowledge to understand herself, nor to realise quite how transparent her projection is. Well, dear, you won't have me rushing to disagree with you there. The above are not only lies, but evidence of stupidity. I have pointed out where Alison is wrong in this matter quite enough times already for her to have grasped it by now. See the point on projection above.

Peter, you are a true freak! Anyone who reports another to their server is a cowardly, spineless and spiteful piece of shit!

:> He is clearly a control freak who has to win and the best :> thing to do is simply let him. :> :This is truly amusing. Anybody who would like a laugh must go and look :at http://artlives.homestead.com/FAQs.html - you will find not only a :lot to amuse, but also gain a good insight in to the mind of a control :freak. Find yourself amazed that Alison doesn't have the self-knowledge :to understand herself, nor to realise quite how transparent her rojection is.

What is amusing about the FAQs?Are you *stalking* Alison? Artlives is a discussion group for professional artists. It is very gratifying to be able to exchange ideas and antidotes amongst our *own kind*. You needn't apply. You, and you kind, are not welcome.

:> I was a fool :> :Well, dear, you won't have me rushing to disagree with you there. :> :> He has claimed to be a professional artist when :> clearly he is not. He doesn't know the tax rules that apply to artists :> in the UK. :> :The above are not only lies, but evidence of stupidity. I have pointed :out where Alison is wrong in this matter quite enough times already for :her to have grasped it by now.

Curiously, DO you claim art on your taxes in the UK?

:> the coward :> ee the point on projection above.

I agree that you are a coward. Your actions are cowardly. You should thank Alison. No one took you seriously here before. Now, because enough people are intimadated by Ali, you are welcomed into the embrace of the losers. But, I think you've began to scare even them...

Scarlett http://ScarlettDecker.homestead.com

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Cody, why not start thinking of usenet as a new social venue (as a lot of researchers are doing, as a matter of fact). So the idea is that they types of social exchanges that go on on the usenet are as valid as any other social venue.

One of my all time favorites was Les MacCann's 'Trying to make it real - Compared to What.' Do you remember the piece? Well, that'ss the question here, since you've raised the 'reality' question.

So what's more 'real?' On usenet an individual blurts out whatever is on the mind, given the lack of constraints, the anonymity, even that interesting quality of voyeruism that attends usenet exchanges. Or, compare that with sitting in your favorite cocktail lounge wondering if you have spinache between your teeth, whether your arm pits stink, or if you'll say the right thing at the right time and not appear to be a nerd, glimp, azzhole, loser, etc. etc. Of the same with a family gathering, the workplace, and so on.

So where do you draw the line on 'reality?' I think usenet is just as real as any of our other social venues. Does that make sense to you?

Erik Mattila

Yeah, but do you personally know anyone on the newsgroup?? Are they you're friend?? Most likely no. If my friend spouted off some rude comment to me, yes I would be angry. But you think that someone would be secure enough that what some random person on a newsgroup said wouldn't make that much of a difference. Stop sniveling people and go to work or something. I consider typing messages to people reality, of course it's reality, but it isn't personal reality at all, and therefore it shouldn't be that intensely crucial for one to make it real.

There are no cases of libel being won from insults hurled on Usenet, Erik. There are, however, cases where the injured party have sued the ISP whose newsreader the post went through. Demon has just paid damages in this case:

There was a court case which was settled earlier this year which addresses this issue. Godfrey -v- Demon Internet, in which Demon were sued for failing to remove material which was alleged to be defamatory.
http://www.demon.net/info/press_releases/2000/pr2000- 03-31a.shtml

If you search Dejanews you might find lots of Usenet articles about it and the preliminary hearing, in which it was found that ISPs in the UK can found to be liable for defamatory content stored and published through its servers.

So when the complaint against me was lodged Demon removed the article and warned me not to post anymore defamatory remarks. In the process their lawyers removed over twelve defamatory posts made against me from their servers. 11 of them were made by the complaining party. Now if I had made my comments through say dejanews, it is hardly likely that action would have been taken. Interesting huh ?

Nonsense. Many of us are friends and have known each other for several years. We have grown to respect, love and support each other like no real situation would allow. Some of us are even going to be exhibiting together as a result. Actually, I would say my best friends and people I am most fond of, are some of the people met through cyber, including my lover. I often think that I get more time with these people than with the friends in the real world, because they are able to fit into the time constraints of living in a place like London and trying to work as an artist. And it is difficult to get into debates when out socialising. I have personally met twelve people met through Usenet or mailing lists, some from other countries and some in the UK - one of them from here even became a member of our co-op gallery because of meeting here. So yes, I consider these people to be my friends and if I engaged in a debate with them I know that they will treat me with the same respect that I will treat them, and still be able to debate on solid ground.

This is very true. Not many people do take Usenet seriously. Nothing that is said here offends me any longer. Running off to get a person's Usenet privileges taken away is something else and threatening them with som4e ridiculous *law suit* is about as insecure as you can possibly